tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post8578236646888278397..comments2023-10-27T15:40:53.653+13:00Comments on Bob's development blog: MirRobert Ancellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06377999550703204187noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-4099842000317598582013-03-06T01:45:57.964+13:002013-03-06T01:45:57.964+13:00Sadly, Canonical still thinks that requiring copyr...Sadly, Canonical still thinks that requiring copyright assignment is a good idea. It is, for Canonical, and nobody else. Also, as usual they've got a huge NIH complex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-66744169945549527002013-03-05T23:58:49.673+13:002013-03-05T23:58:49.673+13:00@Dennis: not sure if trolling or...
https://wiki.u...@Dennis: not sure if trolling or...<br />https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec#Why_Not_Wayland_.2BAC8_Weston.3FShivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441946451665441758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-48818834584105774922013-03-05T23:19:50.468+13:002013-03-05T23:19:50.468+13:00Mark stated back in 2010 that Wyaland issues where...Mark stated back in 2010 that Wyaland issues where solvable and that Canonical "would rather be part of solving them than chasing a better alternative"<br />So it seems that the NIH syndrome attacks again, and instead of working with Wayland devs upstream to solve the issues, Canonical decided to go it's own way and fragment the second most important component after the kernel. The CLA agreement makes it worse and it's unlikely that other major distros adopt it instead of Wayland. This means more work for upstream and fragmenting the efforts to get an unified graphics driver model. I hope you're getting help from Nvidia/AMD or even Valve with this. Otherwise, it's one of the major mistakes done by Canonical. Ok, so you're following the Google model of doing everything in house. But at least Google is honest with their intentions an what they do and do not pretend to be involved with the FLOSS comunity. You seem to only utilize upstream as free labor.<br />Sorry for the harsh comment. Some of us are quite upset with Canonical's direction.<br />Nachohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08841546937622428622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-45790065362694869812013-03-05T23:15:04.181+13:002013-03-05T23:15:04.181+13:00"Still doesnt explain why you are not using W..."Still doesnt explain why you are not using Wayland."<br /><br />Duh, Canonical wants to be another Apple with full control and absolutely no influence of outside parties.<br />The use of CLA is proof.<br /><br />If it was anything else and Canonical had interest that others pick Mir up and contribute to it, it would've been developed under a different license than (L)GLPv3-only and no CLA – just like LightDM.KAMiKAZOWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04585675027914850691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-40074177861949413702013-03-05T22:19:57.049+13:002013-03-05T22:19:57.049+13:00I'm not sure why these guys constantly whine a...I'm not sure why these guys constantly whine about Wayland: that thing is _not_ yet production ready and is still _not_ viable X alternative (old hardware, hello).<br /><br />So, competition is good and I'm glad Mir already address main Wayland weakness: kitchen sink and driver support.<br /><br />Good luck guys and please, please keep it compatible with X API and small and lean (or don't repeat Wayland mistakes).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-27789330082636106832013-03-05T21:49:11.871+13:002013-03-05T21:49:11.871+13:00So for a good number of years now we've all kn...So for a good number of years now we've all known we need a replacement for X, and so Wayland shows up and looks great. You've said yourself (Canonical) that you meant to base some release back on Wayland instead of X. Everyone was happy and working towards this new goal.<br /><br />Then you cook up your own solution instead of helping with the concentrated effort. There were even examples of concrete factual errors in the Mir wiki page on #wayland with regards to what was and what was not possible with Wayland. You could have just, you know, *helped*. But then you wouldn't have copyright.<br /><br />I don't know, I feel betrayed. It's like the village is all pooling together resources to build a new school, you speak publicly about how you will send all your children to it, and then out of the blue you reveal your own school that you've been building in secret instead of cooperating. Because heavens know we all have unlimited developer hours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-19075990442311638422013-03-05T20:38:33.704+13:002013-03-05T20:38:33.704+13:00Great! I'm trust Canonical and Ubuntu.Great! I'm trust Canonical and Ubuntu.CSRedRathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442707604459344112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-4427171832607510302013-03-05T19:45:17.083+13:002013-03-05T19:45:17.083+13:00Dennis, I'd recommend reading the spec for the...Dennis, I'd recommend reading the spec for the reasons why Wayland was not chosen: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpecUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13908608226864805593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-17343032738012692962013-03-05T14:26:08.281+13:002013-03-05T14:26:08.281+13:00Still doesnt explain why you are not using Wayland...Still doesnt explain why you are not using Wayland. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757664407115766255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-53405526909307224262013-03-05T14:22:32.701+13:002013-03-05T14:22:32.701+13:00wheather or not you succeed with mir vs X or wayla...wheather or not you succeed with mir vs X or wayland. Competition is always a good thing. Exciting times indeed!zenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966935526672146144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-10659069202845382482013-03-05T14:06:50.049+13:002013-03-05T14:06:50.049+13:00It will require the contributor agreement. Just la...It will require the contributor agreement. Just lag :)Robert Ancellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377999550703204187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20155916.post-19326019143451447802013-03-05T14:05:06.238+13:002013-03-05T14:05:06.238+13:00Hi Robert,
I don't see the project listed on ...Hi Robert,<br /><br />I don't see the project listed on the list of projects requiring the Canonical Contributor Agreement ( http://www.canonical.com/contributors ) yet. Is there just a lag on adding Mir to that list, or will contributions to Mir not require copyright assignment to Canonical? Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com