Tuesday, March 12, 2013

More information on Mir

With the recent announcement of Mir there's been some concern about what this means for Ubuntu and the wider Linux ecosystem. Christopher Halse Rogers who is on the Mir team has written some excellent posts covering some of the major questions: why Mir and not Wayland/Weston, what does this mean for other desktops on Ubuntu and what does this mean for Linux graphics drivers.

Well worth the read.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

You missed one important question:

What will Mir mean for corporate environments?

In short, they will never touch it even with 30ft pole. The reason is that it seems to throw all networking capabilities to the wolves. Show me high performance thin client using Mir, and I will reconsider the previous.

Xorg's network transparency sucks on its own, but combined with stuff like NX it's really wonderful. The basic capabilities are great for administrators, as you can run tools in root windowless mode from remote servers - just like they were on local system.

Before Mir does that there will be a stigma on it. A bad one. It's not just an issue, it's a blocker level issue for many.

Anonymous said...

You missed one important question:

What will Mir mean for corporate environments?

In short, they will never touch it even with 30ft pole. The reason is that it seems to throw all networking capabilities to the wolves. Show me high performance thin client using Mir, and I will reconsider the previous.

Xorg's network transparency sucks on its own, but combined with stuff like NX it's really wonderful. The basic capabilities are great for administrators, as you can run tools in root windowless mode from remote servers - just like they were on local system.

Before Mir does that there will be a stigma on it. A bad one. It's not just an issue, it's a blocker level issue for many.

Spacexplorer said...

IMO no maind-sane people use thin clients with NX these days, at today
prices of networks gear and low-end desktop its simply a nonsense. Oh,
it's not the only nonsense: push "the cloud", a re-edition of old mainframe
paradigma instead of push a (difficult but "safe") distributed paradigma is
a nonsense also, keep going with '80-style DB, with megabloat/framework of
java or php crap is a nonsense also... IMO no one should encourage, ease
the life or plan to enter in business with such nonsense-ed people so,
despite that I think Mir start with the wrong feet I'm wait!

A bottomline: we are in 2013, please consider the NEED of respect the old
unix paradigma nobody respect anymore now; consider to choose MODERN high
level language like Go (yes, we can accept a performance penality) and to
have a complete "standard library" like the 1971-era UNIX with C, drop C++
and C for new project, they are easy and productive like the asm of pre-UNIX
era!

Spacexplorer said...

IMO no maind-sane people use thin clients with NX these days, at today
prices of networks gear and low-end desktop its simply a nonsense. Oh,
it's not the only nonsense: push "the cloud", a re-edition of old mainframe
paradigma instead of push a (difficult but "safe") distributed paradigma is
a nonsense also, keep going with '80-style DB, with megabloat/framework of
java or php crap is a nonsense also... IMO no one should encourage, ease
the life or plan to enter in business with such nonsense-ed people so,
despite that I think Mir start with the wrong feet I'm wait!

A bottomline: we are in 2013, please consider the NEED of respect the old
unix paradigma nobody respect anymore now; consider to choose MODERN high
level language like Go (yes, we can accept a performance penality) and to
have a complete "standard library" like the 1971-era UNIX with C, drop C++
and C for new project, they are easy and productive like the asm of pre-UNIX
era!